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iSteroids.com
Presents
The Rise and Fall of Ttokkyo!
Reality of the Ttokkyo Bust!
iSteroids.com EXCLUSIVE!
July 26, 2007
July Newsletter Issue 2
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The Rise and Fall of Ttokkyo!
by: Anthony Roberts
Author of: Beyond Steroids, Anabolic Steroids -
Ultimate Research Guide Vol. 1, Co-Author of Dr.Jekyll & Mr.Hyde: Body
Transformation From Both Sides of the Force |
From Anthony Roberts: From time to time, by
position in the steroid world allows me to meet some interesting
characters to say the least. Well, this is one of those times. I’ve
been able to interview someone who was involved with the former
Ttokkyo labs, at a very high level. His story is a cautionary tale,
and not a “how-to”…he lived the steroid dealers life, at the highest
level, and paid for it with prison time. I’ve decided not to edit
this interview, even though he trashes some steroid sites as well as
major people in the anabolic steroid world. Remember, this is not
necessarily the opinion of Anthony Roberts, but rather is 100% the
opinion of the interviewee. Alright…here it is…
Anthony Roberts:Ok...without telling us too much about
you, can you let us know what your experience with steroids is?
Anon: Well, “without telling us to me about you” needs
to be addressed first. I have already been convicted of several things
and been through a couple prison systems. I need to state, right from
the start, that some of the things I am going to talk about I did indeed
experience myself. In some cases, a friend of mine did some of the stuff
I will talk about. I can’t remember. Basically, if you are from the
government and reading this, I assume you know who I am. If I didn’t
already cop to something that you are reading, you should assume that my
friend did it. Back then I was pretty doped up most of the time, so
things get a little blurry every now and again. I suspect that other,
non-G-men will recognize who I am as well. I’ll say something to you
later on, if I feel like it. Although it should be obvious that I have
the freedom to say whatever I want and artistic license to say it
however I want to, if you are reading this and from the government, know
that it is a bunch of flat-out lies. I don’t ever know what a steroid
is. Cool?
Anyhow, I have a little bit of experience with steroids. To put it
bluntly, I had the unfortunate distinction of being a fairly important
part of what I consider to be the premier anabolics distribution and
manufacturing operations of all time: Laboratorios Ttokkyo. Obviously, a
white kid from the ‘burbs doesn’t just fly to Mexico City and apply for
the job I had. It was a long and very unique road that we paved and led
us to fortune, albeit brief and fleeting.
Anthony Roberts: Can you give us some back story here?
Anon: A little back story might be helpful in
understanding the whole of things. I always remark to myself that
really, anyone could have done what I did as long as they paid attention
to the landscape of the time and wanted what I wanted as badly as I did.
It’s kind of like starting a UG lab now; anyone who really wants to can
find a way to import powder, a way to get vials and equipment, and start
producing some garbage that people will happily buy. Most people are
content to just buy it and spend the money, but there are those of us
who are first compelled to buy 3, sell 2, and get a freebie and then
wind up getting rich because other people are lazy (or smart).
A long time ago, when I first saw actual banner ads for powder
suppliers, I got flashbacks of the beginning of my end. You guys are a
bunch of retards, with your boards and pseudo-security. People from
other countries sponsor your board and it’s not illegal in their country
to sell steroids. You think that makes you safe. You’re just advertising
for someone who is doing something perfectly legal, right? You really
think it is that simple? You are providing a vehicle to enable illegal
transactions. It’s like having banner ads for fertilizer on a militia
website. I won’t harp on this yet, but I probably will. You are retards,
just waiting for the Fed to take interest. Now, I was a retard once, too
– so I can say that. You are a bunch of retards and you are going to
fall. I’ll get into why later, if there is time.
Anthony Roberts: How did you start out in this
particular line of work?
Anon: I started off like anyone else really; I just
wanted to be bigger than the next guy. That mindset wound up
transferring to my business approach as well and both got me into a
boatload of shit eventually. I started off reading the boards,
researching, learning, and pretty quickly I was a regular on ‘Bolex and
Varix and a few other discussion boards. Its important to remember when
you hear me talking about those days that the ‘net was much smaller back
then and there were maybe half a dozen steroid-related websites. They
didn’t have central repositories for profiles, cycles, and everything
else that each board has today. Shit was kind of scattered, and Brian
Raupp was ahead of his time, centralizing information and bringing
clientele to himself. I don’t know Brian personally. From what I
understand, he just got out of Federal Prison himself, after fucking up
on supervised release. To me, that means he had a chance to not go away
at all but blew it by being a dipshit and continuing to sell while on
probation. I was supposed to sell him a bunch of shit one time but
somewhere along the way the product was taken by the feds and the deal
wasn’t lucrative enough to make me want to do it again. I’ll sell you
1000 bottles if I’m making $5 a piece and it’s easy for me to get the
bottles in my hand, but that’s one of the logistical problems behind
being a large importer and distributor: shipping volumes of product. It
makes much more sense for me to get 1000 bottles and sell to two or
three dudes who don’t want anyone to know who I am for fear of losing
their client base. That way, I can mark things up $35 a unit and still
get rid of it inside of a day. It’s the same number of boxes, but I’m
making $35k instead of $5k and I don’t have to deal with people in the
federal spotlight. If I set it up right, I’d never even see the boxes
and I’d never even know what my customers looked like. I didn’t quite do
it that way, but I never wanted to be in the spotlight. I guess that’s
lesson one that Ttokkyo should have learned; keep thy ass out of the
spotlight.
Anyhow, the boards were like the Wild West back then. Anyone remember
HumanSaurus Rex? A good dude. How about Simian? Another good dude. How
about Damian Borleone and Leroy? Chances are, if you knew them, you got
locked up like me.
Oh, but wait. Another lesson: the Feds get everyone to roll. Some do it
much more quickly and easily than others. Right now there is a fellow
named GAC (Red Star of China) or Brock or Bruce sitting in the can. The
Feds visited him but didn’t arrest or charge him. Wow. Watch what
happens in China now. Tell me if it is a coincidence.
(Note from Anthony Roberts: This interview was conducted well before the
recent Chinese powder busts…scary, huh?)
Anthony Roberts: What do you think of the state of
internet steroid discussion boards?
Anon: Today, everyone and their uncle’s sister is a mod
or some sort of VIP Member of a useless board that regurgitates the same
profiles and bullshit, making people think that using steroids is
actually a complicated endeavor. Back then, the boards were either owned
by dealers and used as vehicle to sell their product, or the boards had
resident, US-based dealers that catered to the members of said board.
People bought the big drugs: dbol, test, deca, winny, and
anadrol. Nobody gave a shit
about trenbolone laurenate acetate 17a precursors. You know, there
really are a bunch of retards out there now. They ever have antiestrogen
precursors. Makes me want to puke. People are actually buying HGH
FRAGMENTS! Hello! These things cannot possibly work. Ask any scientist
who isn’t selling them. The entire protein must be there in order to be
recognized. A fragment is useless. It’s like sawing one tooth out of a
key and selling it as a key fragment. Sure, its part of a key, but its
not going to turn any fucking locks. Anyhow…
Regardless of the politics behind the boards, very few people actually
knew anything about steroids
back then. The boards were a way to get your email address out there and
to post “list me” in a thread so you could find a supplier. It was a ton
of flaming and bullshit. I remember bringing down a board over and over
again by pasting a little JavaScript into my post. You got redirected to
gay.com or whatever. It was fun, and it certainly wasn’t the structured
force that it is today. I guess that holds true for the entire internet
and spectrum of social networking applications.
The only real book out there was that piece of crap by Bill Phillips
(before he “sold out” literally and figuratively with Body For Life and
make millions upon millions in addition to the Entrepreneur of the Year
award). A cohesive set of steroid profiles had yet to be written. You
had to Google a little more intensely than you do now to find your
answers, and nobody wanted to do that. It didn’t take long for me,
through a little extra effort, to become a pretty well-respected and
regarded. If you could talk about what is really a pretty simple subject
and use big words, draw clear metaphors, have anything insightful to say
without copying and pasting (or if you were really good at pasting from
Medline/PubMed), you became well-known pretty quickly. Because of this,
I made a lot of good contacts for my personal gear. I was punctilious
with my posts and people assumed that I was somebody.
That translated into good contacts. Specifically, I met people located
closer to the Mexican border. The guys in NY had Brighton Beach and the
Russians and lots of Euro gear. There were a few of those guys. But more
interesting to me were the dudes out in California – all fairly spoiled
white boys besides two in particular that I knew of – and they were all
competing for business, doing crazy things with their prices if you came
upon them through the right channels. I had a bunch of middle-level
dealers that couldn’t keep up with me anymore, and they wound up
referring me to their dealers. Why they did this is beyond me, but they
did and it worked out well for me. You’d like to think that they were
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